Tuesday, September 8, 2009

(The War we Will Not Win) USA uses Afghanistan...AGAIN.


The War we Will Not Win

The issue isn't winning this war since we had no objective to begin with that anyone will admit (drugs are curiously silent on this isssue in News)

The current assesments remind me of the movie Charlies War which shows how corrupt and how sadistically stupid some world events are as the movie is pretty good on how people use people to get what people want.

Aghanistan is a country we will never really help, never really support, and never really win or have a definable agenda for because everyone is "passing thru" this area to Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Russia and Israel.

They are "passing thru" using it's stategic location to be near a Iran that in all likely hood will get attacked by Israel and may just provoke Russia inot action. SO,

We have a makeshift war going on so we will be there when it all goes down.

Why?

Logistics is a nightmare in modern warfare and we have a countries who want us to back out not jumb in anymore...,

SO we use Afghanistan politically and geograhically pretending we care, JUST LIKE WE DID AGAINST RUSSIA, now it still aganst Russia in somme ways, but for the most part it is Against IRAN.

Yes, Afgahnistan, We are doing in again...,

And if you don't Trust the USA, nether do we, and we live here.





U.S. in Delicate Spot as Fraud Claims Mount in Afghan Vote

Manish Swarup/Associated Press

An Afghan election worker sorted results before entering them into a computer at the Independent Election Commission office in Kabul on Tuesday.

Published: September 8, 2009

WASHINGTON — On Monday, as the vote-counting in Afghanistanwas nearing an end, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was briefed by the American ambassador in Kabul, Karl W. Eikenberry. The same day, the ambassador delivered a blunt message to the front-runner, President Hamid Karzai: “Don’t declare victory.”

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The slim majority tentatively awarded Mr. Karzai in Afghanistan’s fraud-scarred election has put the Obama administration in an awkward spot: trying to balance its professed determination to investigate mounting allegations of corruption and vote-rigging while not utterly alienating the man who seems likely to remain the country’s leader for another five years.

Mrs. Clinton and Ambassador Eikenberry, senior administration officials said, wanted to prevent Mr. Karzai or his backers from pre-empting an outside investigation of allegations of irregularities in the Aug. 20 vote.

“We realize that the allegations have reached such a level that we need to be very careful to allow the process to breathe,” said an administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter. “The message was, Let’s make sure that the electoral bodies do their work, and do it rigorously.”

On Tuesday, the United Nations-backed commission that is the ultimate arbiter of the vote said it found “clear and convincing evidence of fraud” at several polling stations andordered a partial recount.

Election officials said Mr. Karzai won 54.1 percent of the vote, a percentage that, if certified, would spare him a runoff against his main challenger, Abdullah Abdullah, who received 28.3 percent.

But in recent days, the Obama administration has grown increasingly alarmed by the raft of allegations that ballot-stuffing and phantom polling stations generated lopsided margins in favor of Mr. Karzai.

For the United States, the problem is twofold: the fraud complaints against Mr. Karzai are almost certain to undercut his legitimacy if he is sworn in for another term as president, and American officials want whoever is president to have credibility with the Afghan people and with the international community.

Yet the more outside observers complain about fraud, the more alienated Mr. Karzai may become, and the less willing he may be to work with the United States or its allies, administration officials said.

“We are still going to probably have to deal with him,” another American official said. “This just makes the morning after a lot more difficult.”

A possible path out of the morass, said another American official, would be if Mr. Karzai and the runner-up, Mr. Abdullah, were able to work out a deal under which Mr. Abdullah, a former Afghan foreign minister, would join the new Karzai government.

“Everybody’s thinking about this,” the official said. “It would be like getting Hillary Clinton to endorse Obama at the convention. Getting Karzai’s people to work on Abdullah and get him to come into the government is too obvious for people not to be considering it.”

Such a deal would be difficult for Mr. Abdullah, experts said, given the temptation he would feel to condemn the vote as a fraud. But officials said Mr. Karzai could entice him if he were to agree to the direct election of provincial governors, which Mr. Abdullah has advocated, or to limit the influence of powerful warlords.

Publicly, the administration is calling for a “complete and rigorous vetting” of all election complaints, said the State Department spokesman, Ian C. Kelly. He told reporters on Tuesday that it could take “a matter of months.”

“It is very important that these elections are seen as legitimate in the eyes of the Afghan people and in the eyes of the international community,” he said. “I’m not going to prejudge where the whole thing comes out.”

Even privately, administration officials are reluctant to confirm that there was wholesale fraud of the kind that would invalidate the election. While there were clearly numerous egregious instances of fraud or vote-rigging, these officials said, it would take further investigation to judge whether, as one put it, “this whole thing is rotten, top to bottom.”

Their caution reflects the fact that while the initial vote-counting has reached its conclusion, the Electoral Complaints Commission, an Afghan and international panel that will certify the final count, is still in the early stages of an investigation that could take several weeks.

But it also reflects a recognition that the administration will have to keep dealing with Mr. Karzai, especially as it enters a treacherous phase in its engagement in Afghanistan. Raising too many doubts about Mr. Karzai’s legitimacy could make it impossible to work with him later.

“Even if we get a second round of voting, the odds are still high that Karzai will win,” said Bruce Riedel, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who advised the administration on its Afghan policy. “We have a fundamental interest in building up the legitimacy of the Karzai government.”

European diplomats expressed similar frustration that they were powerless to do much now except wait. “There’s a great perception out there that Karzai has stolen this,” one diplomat said. “I’m realistic enough to know that there’s not much we can do about that right now.”

If there is an advantage to a lengthy inquiry, Mr. Riedel said, it is that it would give Ambassador Eikenberry, a retired general, and other officials time to try to maneuver Mr. Karzai into a bargain with his opponents.

“This requires delicacy and a deft hand,” he said. “You don’t want to create a downward spiral in U.S.-Afghan relations.”

Helene Cooper contributed reporting.

(When Iraq falls back) Bombers kill at least 17 in Iraq


It would be easy to Ignore Prophecy and try to set up regimes we claim is "western democracy" but often we exchange our Christian Soul for a World View of Humanism instead.


Iraq will fall not becasue we don't want it too. Not because we are "right" and someone else is "wrong" of they are deprive and we are wealthy. The bottom line is God.

Does God rasise up and set down governments no matter we interfere or not. And since we know He does, do we stand in his way, do we pray, or do we use oppotunity no matter how it presents itself to us to Go and Give the Gospel.

The difference is you. You can think God is far away or you can use circumstances to write a best seller to try to change the World of God to Fit prophecy currently, or you can read and accept what God has to say about Bablyon, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Israel, Russia.

These countries are still around and God spoke specific. Since the Bible doesn't change, but people seeme to hype a New wrinkle or find a "new idea" to promote, it is easier to Trust What Has Not changed: The Bible.

Hype and passionate enflaming sensational books are worthless for your accuracy because you will burn out after reading when you FAV author failed to be accurate. But God is True, He will not fail you. He will lead you into all truth.

You Read it, the Bible, You decide. God can help you understand, but when Iraq falls, again, it's not because I am a prophet, I just read the Bible.....,



Bombers kill at least 17 in Iraq


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Suicide attackers struck near a Shiite mosque north of Baghdad and a checkpoint west of the capital on Monday as bombings killed at least 17 people nationwide.

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People gather around a destroyed car after a suicide car bomber targeted a checkpoint in Ramadi, 115 kilometers west of Baghdad on Monday.
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The violence was concentrated in former Sunni insurgent strongholds that have seen a sharp decline in violence after local tribal leaders turned against al-Qaida in Iraq. Despite the relative calm, a series of deadly bombings have raised concerns about a resurgence of violence as the US military scales back its presence, with a full withdrawal planned by the end of 2011.

The attacks - which mainly targeted checkpoints and Iraqi policemen - also highlighted the weaknesses in the Iraqi security forces, which are struggling to prove they are ready to take over from the Americans.

The deadliest attack was a suicide car bomber who struck a line of vehicles waiting to be inspected before crossing a bridge near the Anbar provincial capital of Ramadi, police said.

The blast set half a dozen other vehicles ablaze, killing three policemen and five civilians and wounding 16 other people, according to police and hospital officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not allowed to release the information.

A farmer riding in a pickup truck not far behind the attacker's car ran toward the scene, where he described seeing a child who had been blown by the blast onto the roof of a car.

"I tried to approach him to see whether he was alive or dead, but the police started to open fire in all directions and we had to run away," he said. Iraqi police frequently fire into the air at bombing sites to disperse the crowd and scare away other potential attackers.

Ramadi, 70 miles (115 kilometers) west of Baghdad, was once one of the most dangerous cities in Iraq before the US-funded Sunni revolt against al-Qaida more than two years ago.

Hours later, a suicide bomber blew himself up at the gate of a Shiite mosque in Baqouba, 35 miles (60 kilometers) northeast of Baghdad, killing at least five people - three policemen and two worshippers - and wounding 20, according to police and hospital officials.

Maj. Ghalib al-Karkhi of the provincial police said the bomber was forced to detonate his explosives prematurely after guards tried to search him and discovered his suicide vest.

The mainly Sunni city of Baqouba also has been hit by several bombings despite an overall decline in violence.

In Baghdad on Monday, a bomb destroyed a police car, killing one officer and two civilians and wounding eight, police said. Another bomb killed a driver as he approached a military checkpoint in the Sadr City district.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has sought to reassure Iraqis that the US-trained security forces are capable of taking over from American troops who have withdrawn from the country's cities.

Recent bombings, especially an Aug. 19 attack on government ministries in Baghdad that killed about 100 people, have shaken people's confidence at a crucial time, just months before Iraqis go to the polls in January to choose a new parliament.

Iraq's rampant corruption has also become a key election issue. Corruption watchdog Transparency International rated Iraq in 2008 as the third most corrupt country in the world after Somalia and Myanmar. The Iraqi government had long played down the issue before announcing a crackdown this year.

A judge said Monday that it issued two new arrest warrants. A senior Finance Ministry official in charge of the auditing department is accused of wasting public funds, judge Arif Shahin said.

Authorities are also seeking Iraq's ambassador to Jordan. He is accused of sheltering a fellow Saddam Hussein-era diplomat who is wanted in the 1994 assassination of an Iraqi dissident in Beirut, said another judge at the court, Ali al-Rubaie.

The ambassador, Saad al-Hiyyani, denied the accusation and said he had not been notified of any warrant against him.

The Shiite dissident, Talib al-Suhail, was killed by Iraqi intelligence agents during the rule of Saddam's Sunni regime. Iraq's postwar Shiite-dominated government began pursuing the case in 2005, al-Rubaie said.

The suspect who Iraq's government believes is in Jordan, Awad Fakhri, was charge d'affaires of the Iraqi Embassy in Beirut at the time of the assassination. He also worked as head of the Arab affairs department at the Foreign Ministry in Baghdad until retiring in 2005.

The ambassador to Jordan questioned why the government did not try to arrest him then. He added that Fakhri was most likely in Syria, not Jordan.

"The charges (against me) are false," Ambassador al-Hiyyani said. "They are malicious and bear hidden motives to tarnish my public image."

In northern Iraq, two children playing with a hand grenade they found in a stream were killed when it exploded, said police in the city of Kirkuk.